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LouRovner Administrator	posted 10-26-2004 03:26 PM George Maschke sent emails to me and Ted Todd yesterday. Both contained viruses. I'm not opening any more of his emails, and I would suggest that everyone think twice before opening anything from him. Lou ------------------ Louis Rovner, Ph.D. Rovner & Associates LouRovner@sbcglobal.net IP: Logged
J L Ogilvie Moderator	posted 10-26-2004 03:42 PM Lou, I think I brought this up before but is there any way to prove he did that and cause him some grief? Jack ------------------ IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 10-26-2004 04:07 PM Lou, I did not get an email from George yesterday. He slimed me on his board about a year ago. When he sent me an email at that time, it contained a Trojan Horse Virus. Ted IP: Logged
LouRovner Administrator	posted 10-26-2004 04:43 PM Ted, Sorry, I misunderstood. Now I see that he slimes you on his website, and sends you an email about being slimed, and sends you a virus as a bonus. At least we know that the opposition has absolutely no character. Lou IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-26-2004 09:12 PM Lou, Could you post the plain text source code from Maschke's e-mail? Doing this won't risk infecting anyone's computer or this web site. The source code would provide the proof that Jack asked about, and we could proceed from there. ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
LouRovner Administrator	posted 10-27-2004 05:39 AM Polyops, Sorry, I've already deleted him. Lou IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-27-2004 05:56 AM What virus was attached to the e-mail? Do you have a report from any anti-virus software? [This message has been edited by polyops (edited 10-27-2004).] IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 10-27-2004 07:00 AM Polyops, George is operating from the Netherlands. I don't know of any agency that has a big enough baseball bat to go after him in another country. This is the same promblem we have with all the internet lottery scams. Ted IP: Logged
J.B. McCloughan Administrator	posted 10-27-2004 10:20 AM If I am correct, George currently is located in the Hague where the international criminal court is located, the one we currently have been reported by the media as deciding against joining. Although the United States is not currently a member of the court, we are a member of NATO and George's actions may be subject to action. It is likely that his actions are intentional. A Trojan Horse virus can be used to access the infected computer and in turn gain information, files, etc. The person spreading the virus would need to know the intended targets IP address. This can be obtained from e-mails they have received. I think these potentially intentional attacks are worth pursuing. J.B. IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-27-2004 10:31 AM Not only that, but -- and I'm no lawyer -- but I do think that if you send a virus to someone in the U.S. even from overseas, you've committed a violation of U.S. law. And unless he gave up his citizenship, George is still one of ours. Plus, we no doubt have an extradition treaty with the Netherlands. Ted, do you still have the e-mail that George sent to you? What virus was attached to it? ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. [This message has been edited by polyops (edited 10-27-2004).] IP: Logged
J L Ogilvie Moderator	posted 10-27-2004 03:27 PM There must be a way to trap into doing it again in a manner that we are prepared for. I would kick in financially if needed to catch him and discredit him if at all possible. Jack ------------------ IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 10-27-2004 04:04 PM Polyops No I do not have the mail. I destroyed that infected piece of S#*T when I had the computer repaired. It was not just a virus either. It contained an actual Trojan Horse that opened up and screwed up all of my email. Ted [This message has been edited by Ted Todd (edited 10-27-2004).] IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-27-2004 10:15 PM Jack, do you still have the e-mail George sent you when he slimed you? ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
J L Ogilvie Moderator	posted 10-28-2004 12:50 PM I don't think I do. It was sent to hotmail which I am no longer allowed to access at work so will check at home and see if I still have it. Jack ------------------ IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-28-2004 10:46 PM That's great, Jack. I hope you still have it. Another test that could be devised is for someone to send George an e-mail criticizing him (maybe with a hotmail account set up for that purpose), and then see if he replies back with the virus or trojan horse attached. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position where I can walk point on this. But if anyone who can thinks its a good idea, this might be a way of catching him red-handed. ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-30-2004 06:19 AM Lou, A colleague of mine mentioned that when you delete a message, most e-mail programs simply move it to a trash folder. Until the trash folder is emptied, the message can still be retrieved. Thus, it might still be possible for you to get the code from George's e-mail. ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
LouRovner Administrator	posted 10-31-2004 05:49 AM Polyops, Thanks for looking into it. Unfortunately, I also emptied the trash after deleting his message. Sorry. Lou Rovner IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 10-31-2004 06:01 AM Not that this is to my liking, but I find myself in the lofty company of Lou, Skip, Jack and Ted and others of great esteem, in that I am now targeted by George. Speaking of e-mails. George sent me one today, allegedly telling me of his post concerning me. Does he think this is necessary? I read his editorial daily, sometimes twice. It is unopened, and sitting there. Any ideas? Jim IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 10-31-2004 06:56 AM Jim, I went to visit George today and I did not see where he is slamming you??? Anyhow, don't open the email! You may want to transfer it to a CD and have your high tech guys look at it. If they can show it contains a Trojan Horse we may have a case! Ted IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-31-2004 06:57 AM Jim, It looks like we've got the bastard now! You might try clicking on the message title in your In box to select it, and then choose the option in your e-mail program to show the source code for the message. You shoudl then be able to copy the code and paste it into a message here. Then we could examine it for information. I believe if you follow these steps, you won't risk infecting your computer. Whatever you do, don't destroy the evidence! ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-31-2004 07:17 AM Ted, George's diatribe is here http://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?board=Policy;action=display;num=1099229661;start=1#1 ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 10-31-2004 09:53 AM PolyOps, where do I find that option (to obtain source codes) in hotmail? Also, how will that help? Type any input slowly, I am somewhat computer stupid. Jim IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 10-31-2004 10:06 AM I had originally suggested you forward me the message to have a look at it, but on second thought, if this is going to be used for evidentiary purposes, it is best to have your computer people handle it the way they would in a criminal investigation. ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. [This message has been edited by polyops (edited 10-31-2004).] [This message has been edited by polyops (edited 10-31-2004).] IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 10-31-2004 10:32 AM Sackett, Now ya did it. You went and pee peed on George's campfire! If you ingnore him(Like Lou did)he will usually go away. I'll talk to my high tech crime guys at the task force. I'll see what they say about the email from George. Until then, just sit back and enjoy your new infection! Ted IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 11-01-2004 06:03 AM As a private e-mail matter, my tech guys won't touch it. Ted, thanks for the support. I have some left-over antibiotics in the cabinet... I'll wait for you to see what, if anything can be done. If I don't get word back in a couple days, I'll have to delete it. But, I'd really rather see what is in it, but don't want to risk a computer problem, just to see what George has to say... In a holding pattern over KC, Jim IP: Logged
polyops Member	posted 11-01-2004 09:12 AM Jim, It's okay for you to read the e-mail. The thing you want to avoid is opening any attachment that it may include. Trojan horse viruses are sent as attachments. ------------------ It's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 11-01-2004 09:57 AM Okay!?? But, if you guys/girls don't hear from me in a while, you'll know what happened... Jim IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 11-01-2004 10:07 AM Okay, I'm back! George just sent me an e-mail noting he's not allowed on this site and advising me he had made a response on his site and included a link to it. I did not pursue his link nor did I reply to him, and there were no attachments. It's safe to come out and play now!! Jim IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 11-01-2004 11:15 AM Sackett My high tech guy says put the email on a CD and send it to him. He will take a look at it and try to see whatsup! We would also have to be able to establish that George KNEW he was sending a virus and did so intentionally. Then we still have the problem of trying to prosecute someone in the Netherlands. If nothing else, I would like to get a computer cop's opinion of what type of funk George is sending! Ted PS: I see where George gave you "his word of honor". You should find great comfort in that! [This message has been edited by Ted Todd (edited 11-01-2004).] IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 11-02-2004 12:49 PM All, FYI, this is the message I received from George. I found no source codes, no certificates and in regards to properties, they were "not available." Interesting, no way I know to track his e-mail, and a rather innocuous letter to boot. Jim _____________________________________________ From : George W. Maschke Sent : Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:38 AM To : Jim Sackett CC : info@antipolygraph.org Subject : Your Remarks on PolygraphPlace.com Dear Mr. Sackett, Because I am not allowed to post on the PolygraphPlace.com message board, I have posted to the AntiPolygraph.org message board a response to one of your recent posts in which you make reference to me and AntiPolygraph.org: http://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?board=Policy;action=display;num=1099229661 You are welcome to respond there. You needn't worry about your reply being deleted. Sincerely yours, George W. Maschke -- George W. Maschke AntiPolygraph.org Fax/Voice Mail: +1 206 338-4466 AOL Messenger: GeorgeMaschke Skype (Secure Internet Phone/Text Chat): georgemaschke IP: Logged

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